TWIMC, Hi. I read a paper about es by Richard Morin in SunExpert. I'm interested in it, but I don't have direct ftp access. I can request files if I know the full path on the source system. A present I would be interested in the paper describing es as well as the the directory structure for /pub/es on ftp.white.toronto.edu. Thanks for the help. Dave Shroder uunet!clampett!dave or dave@kc-co.com